Now that we've heard and seen Sir Ken's argument about the education system we need to know, what do you think?
1.) What did you agree with? What did you disagree with? Why. Explain your thoughts on the ideas presented.
2.) Where do you see yourself in the education system in your future? Post-Secondary? Independent studies? travel? different type of learning?
Remember: Write in full thoughts, and respond to each other's ideas thoughtfully
I remembered this quote when I was watching this:
ReplyDelete“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.” -Albert Einstein
So the standardized education system puts many kids at a disadvantage because of their non-academic strengths. At the same time, it will take a lot of effort and money to bring about educational reform so that every student can benefit from school. That is, of course, if the old school system is still valid in the 21st century. As mentioned in the video, this system was designed in the 18th century. Now it is getting more and more difficult to balance it with new technology and growing diversity in students.
As for myself, my future goals require me to obtain a university degree. That being said, I highly value learning through experience more than I do from lectures and textbooks. I hope to get both, settle down, and then address my other goals.
That's one of my favourite quotes as well. And I'm glad that you noticed the role that money plays within the educational system, and its need for reform. I laud your valuing of learning through experience. I hope the coop will be one facet of that learning.
DeleteI agreed with most of the ideas and suggestions the video presented. That being said, many of his ideas made no since too me once so ever. The notion that there's a higher rate of A.D.H.D among children strictly on the eastern U.S is absurd, I would think that A.D.H.D would occur more in industrialized cities. In the united states case many of their major cities are in the east. which in theory would mean a higher rate of mental illness in that area. Other than that I agreed with Sir kens explanations on standardised education and the factory model of learning.
ReplyDelete2- In all honesty i don't know where I'm going anymore. All I want in my life is too be happy. I may try university, college or learn abroad but until I find something I want too pursue I can't possibly know what I want too do in the future or in my life in general as a career.
Peter, your argument about disproportionate mental illness diagnosis is well noted. Way to be critical!
Delete"All I want to be in my life is happy" is the best place to start. Not knowing, and being aware that it's open and unanswered, is a great first step.
The points made in this video, made me look at our education "system" much more differently. Actually I didn't even look at our education system as a system before. I felt that some of the things were arguable, such as dividing student by age. I felt this because sure some students might be smarter at a different age that others. A point made in this video I really did not agree with was the A.D.H.D disorder. I felt that there is no real way determining whether or not more children had the disorder in the east than the west. I do however agree that maybe A.D.H.D may not be as a huge of a disorder as it is, some children diagnosed with it probably don't even have A.D.H.D. Sir Kens thoughts and points were however very interesting opinions. I agreed with some and not with others.
ReplyDeleteI want to pursue a bachelor degree in business, I don't feel I would be going abroad though. Right now it seems as if I have my life planned out, but they will always change as time passes.
~Sukhvir Gill
It's true Sukhvir, a fish doesn't even realize it's in water. When we're immersed in a system we often live and breath it unaware. I'm glad the structure is more apparent now. Hopefully, that will help in empowering you to chart the course you want within in. You clearly have your "eyes on the prize"
DeleteI also agree with Sir Ken's argument about standardized education. I believe that, as students, we are taught to live and learn a certain way. The idea of this system is that in order to succeed one must excel in school to make it to college, which then leads to a job opportunity. But what about the students that learn better hands-on? When it comes to our education system, it's all on paper; only grades matter. This is completely unfair to those with non-academic strengths because they are seen as unintelligent. Whereas, there's something to be said about life experience. For example, in most trades, working hands-on can take you further than reading about it in a book. However, with that said, is there really a way to change the school system to meet every child's needs? Probably not. Even if there was a way, as Danish said, it would be difficult and costly. Therefore, I do agree with Sir Ken's argument about the standardized education system, but I am unable to think of a perfect solution to change something that has been around for so long.
ReplyDeleteWhen it comes to my future, I am still undecided. Honestly, I have no idea what my future holds for me. I know I want to go to college or university, but I don't know what I want to focus on. I hope to travel the world, but I'm worried that by the time I'm out of school and have saved up enough money that it will be too late.
Don't fret Sierra, you don't need to find that "perfect solution." Your thoughts on different forms of intelligence and the values attached to them are well put, and your trades "hands-on" example illustrates your point perfectly.
DeleteAs for your travel and your higher education, there is no too late. I'm sure you'll have it all and more
I also agree with Sir ken. I believe than education should not be put in just one direction. There should not be people teaching you how to use your creativity. For example, there is a saying I remember from math class "if there is a better solution find it". Then again when i try to use different ways to find that solution my teacher would say "no this is not the way to do so , You should use the way i taught you". Now if I were to find a better solution to a problem I would not be able to because if you use the same technique it is not your creativity. And when it comes to lifestyle and education if I want any sort of good occupation and make good money, I need a good education because even if you have the creativity in the world you i can not become famous and make good money for that, well of course unless I do something like Steve Jobs. My main objective was to prove that you have to work the way the government and the education system want you to if you would like to obtain a good occupation and make a better future for yourselves.
DeleteI also see my self in post secondary with a good education and a side job at the customs. I want to travel to California for a university there about law and officer stuff but other wise I would like to stay in Canada. I want to succeed in life with a good education and to succeed you have to follow the government and the education system. And I don't really disagree with anything.
DeleteExcellent example Jasroop. I agree the government, social and education structures can be constricting. I think that when you move beyond high school you'll breath easier and feel more freedom within the system and your opportunities in it.
Delete1) I agree with the fact that students shouldn't be put into grades based on their ages but their work ability and knowledge. its unfair . also that the fact that he bought on the fact of when students in school are writing each others answers its considered " cheating " but when its done outside of school its considered " collaboration " . they are the same thing, so why are they such a big deal in school ??
ReplyDelete2) Where I see myself in the future " after graduation " is travelling with my best friend for maybe a year before going back to school to pursue my career goal to become a recreation aide for a care home :D
That's the point that really stuck out to me too. Collaboration is essential! We don't exist in a vacuum, our best is co-created, shared, challenged and heightened through the work of ourselves with others and their unique perspective. I hope Coop is a place where collaboration will reign for you and all of us
Delete1)I agree with the Sir Ken,being taught by one way is basically making the students tied down in one specific way of learning, Which makes them not interested, and not helpful to themselves. You should atleast break into different experiences and have their own way of their creativity to take their education into the future. People are making a huge deal of the education for having a higher quality of job,it shouldn't be like that. If you are interested and would be able to work for the job, then you should you get hired.
ReplyDelete2)I see myself after graduation, is living with my best friends, After that, i would be studying in laws or fashion design courses in sfu :)
- Angeli Ludu
I agree Angeli, the best person for the job should get it, and their experiences, capacities and potential outside of strictly formal education should be recognized and valued. The piece of paper (degrees) are like a symbol to our society of learning, a certificate of wisdom, but you and me both know, that although formal education is important, it isn't the be all to end all.
ReplyDeleteI think you and your besties and your studies sound like a bright beginning beyond Matheson, with all forms of creativity and learning to follow I'm sure
1) I agreed with Sir Ken with the factory model, because at every school I can think of they have the types of classes seperate and have grouped the students by age instead of ther learning abilities. But what I didn't agree was, was with the ADHD thing. I don't understand how the closer you get to the eastern part of the united states, the more people have ADHD.
ReplyDelete2) In the future I see my self in post secondary school to pursue a career in culinary arts. But before I go to a post secondary school I would probably take a year off and take a easy job and relax.
So do you think they over-presccribe or over-diagnose in Eastern states? You see the factory model, the compartmentalization dividing people by grade, but what are your thoughts on the dividing of subjects? Do you agree, or so you think they should be taught together, holistically, blended?
DeleteRelax! And I look forward to seeing you on Top Chef Canada some day in the future :)
I agree with Sir Ken in the beginning. Even if we get a good degree the chance of finding a job is slim. My mom got a degree in chemistry in her college. After that she could not find job that would allow her in. Right now she works for the bank. I don't think you need chemistry in banking. Some kids aren't good at most of the subjects like math. I suck at math. But there are people out there that pressure us on studding 24/7. Scaring us that without a good paying job you will end up on the streets with no food or bed to sleep on. I find it crazy. There are kids who are not strong and then they get ADHD. They stop studding because of all the stress and because of that they can never find the path to their dream career.
ReplyDeleteI see myself in future helping animals. I plan on going to post-secondary though I don't know which one. But I am hoping my dream career will come true and my friends and family will be their to support me.
Good point Alisha regarding the reality that a degree is no guarantee of a job. Formal education is important, and besides, it's a good form to learn deeper about an area of interest. But you and Sir Ken are right, there's so many ways to learn, to "grow our minds."
ReplyDeleteYour friends and family (and teachers) will help you and support you I'm sure. You would make an exceptional vet or caretaker of the furry.
1) Well, To be honest we watched that video a while ago now so I don't really remember it all that well but I do think that it was quite fasinating and I like how quickly he drew the pictures, It was epic! ^.^
ReplyDeleteI agree that yes the school system hasn't nessacerily changed since Kindergarden, The only thing that really has changed is the amount of knowledge in the students.
I disagree with when he said that thing about ADHD, Because ADHD isn't just generalized to ONE area, It's all over the world, Some cases not as bad as others though.
Like me for example, I have ADD and hardly anybody can figure that out.
But, Yeeah that's my answer for newmaro uno! :P
2) In the future I hope to see myself doing alot of traveling for school, I plan to become a proffesional make-up artist so I kinda sorta need to be traveling alot than, Plus I love to travel in general so yeah.
Future wise that's really the farthest i've gotten, I havn't really thought about it that much, I feel like I should focus mainly on what's happening in life now and more on the future as it comes along.
Kaay, Byeee! (:
You're right Destiny the visuals and symbol creation was pretty impressive. I'm sure you could do the same thing. It's so funny that you say the school system hasn't changed since kindergarten because as a teacher we work towards and select carefully what area of the system we want to be a part of: primary, intermediate, junior, senior, etc., but even though we may focus on the small differences between levels, the overall structure remains constant. Although, in my mind, there should definitely be more kindergarten in high school. Finger paints anyone?
ReplyDeleteBe in the moment. Be ready for the future as it comes. Travel and creativity are sure to be a part of it.